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Critiquing, do's and dont's

Sun Oct 26, 2014, 1:26 PM
So i almost always request critiques on my art, and i also get a lot of them too (thank you so much guys/galls) :D and i've noticed some critiquers have some misconceptions about critiques, their role, how to do it, etc.

Now i don't want to critique someone's critiuque, i rarely do that because people take it as being defensive about the art that is critiqued. So i'll just make this journal to hopefully inform/educate some of you about critiquing. 

Do's


-If an artist requests critiques, and you have something to say about it then do use the critique widget to leave a critique. Don't critique in the comment's section though. I know some of you are more shy, but if you're bold enough to write a critique then put it in its proper place, that's what the widget is fore. This does not apply to artists who do not have a premium and can't requests critiques through the widget.

-Do read the artists comments on the artwork first. They might offer hints on what they want critiques on such as ' i get the feeling there's something wrong with the legs, or something along those lines' If you find such a thing then try to focus your critique on that.

-Be on the look out for time spent on a drawing. Critique what could have been done better in the time they had, not if they had many hours to put in extra. If they request a critique on a sketch, don't tell them how it would look better colored etc. Many artists don't have the time to polish their artwork much, so if you see rough lines in a drawing done in 3 hours, i would suggest not critiquing that because it's just not productive. Not having enough time to polish a drawing is not 'a mistake' it's just a circumstance.

-Use a critique sandwich. A critique sandwich is when you start the critique with positive things you like about the drawing, in the middle you start adding the mistakes and things that could be improved, and then end in a positive note with what you like overall. This adds the negative stuff into a nice positive wrapping kind of like a sandwich, that the artist can easily chew on. 

-Do tell the artist how to improve on future drawings. A critique's primary purpose is to help the artist, not for you to have an outlet and vent your frustrations about a piece of artwork. While some artists might figure out on their own how to improve after reading your critique, not all of them have that kind of mindset. So simply stating the mistakes might not help anyone. 

-Do link to helpful tutorials. There's nothing better than a tutorial to perfectly illustrate a point and to show how an artist can improve in something. Words can sometime be misunderstood, unclear, we are not all native english speakers. there's a language barrier that can be crossed with a tutorial. 

-Do critique at the level that the artist is at. If an artist is a beginner, then don't ask for the world from them. Put yourself in their shoes and think how they can improve with their current skill set. 

-Do mention a recurring mistake an artist makes. This does not mean style but rather you noticed they always draw one eye smaller than the other kind of mistakes. This shows the artist that you are closely following their works and you care, which is always nice, and it also help them repair a mistake that's much more important than mistakes that don't reappear. 
Of course, if there's no particular recurring mistake, then don't look to the depths of hell for one, you might go into the pitfall of critiquing art style.

-Do look through the artist's gallery before critiquing. If you really don't know the artist and just stumbled upon the artwork and want to critique, take a moment first to look through that artist's gallery. You want to know what the drawing you're about to critique means for the artist and adjust your critique accordingly. Take these examples:
        -They might try a new style for the first time, 
        - Or the opposite they might have struggled much to get to this style you see
      -they might usually draw much worse and this was a huge leap for them, a huge improvement. 
All of these things should be taken into consideration when critiquing. So checking out the gallery is a good idea.



Dont's


-Don't expect the artist to do the changes you suggest. Contrary to popular belief, artists will not do the changes you suggest. Most artists (me included) look into the future, not the past. We request critiques to prevent mistakes from repeating themselves, not to actually change the current artwork. 

-Don't critique style. I know this subject is controversial here on dA. But this is my journal and i will state my opinion on this. An artist's style is something that has developed from that artist's tastes of what they think beauty is. Critiquing style is like saying 'your taste in art sucks, my taste is better'. This can easily be avoided if you look through the artist's gallery before critiquing.

-Don't make your critique be a list of things you don't like about the artwork. Artists have the choice of not posting your critique and you might have just wasted a good portion of your time writing it just for it to be closed with a click of a button. Writing only the negative can give the impression you're bashing the artwork and the artist might be offended. 

-Don't think that if an artist requested critiques, you HAVE to find something negative to say. If you're being nit picky, you can find something negative to say about every thing that exists and ever existed on this earth. Don't go down that road. If you don't think there's anything wrong with it, then don't write a critique, write a nice comment instead. You can write it in the critique widget too of course, i personally am perfectly ok with that (even if some are not). 

-Don't think that if the artist requested critiques then they think there's something wrong with their artwork. While some artists only request critiques at artwork they feel something isn't right with, i personally request at almost everything. Every artist is different. I found this misconception a lot, people are thinking 'hmmmm this artist requested critique on this beautiful art, there must be something wrong with it.. let's look closely.. now that i think about it, what if she changed the hair from red to green?' 
This thinking makes you nit picky, which might make you pick on something completely unimportant and come off as overcritical. 

-Don't critique artwork that does not have critiques turned on, or the artist doesn't specifically say in the artists comments they are open to critiques. Artists are very sensible creatures. Our art is tied with our ego, and if an artist is not ready to receive a blow to their ego, they will not request critiques, and you should respect that. There are artists here who only draw for fun and that fun can be spoiled like this. Not everyone wants to be a pro, not everyone wants to improve. Not everyone wants to improve through critiques. Critiques are just a tool that some artists use.

-When critiquing fanart, don't dwell on the differences between the artwork and the original design. Many artists take artistic freedom, they like to try their own 'take' on a character, and not to copy how the character originally looks like. It would be absolutely boring if when drawing fanart, the main objective would be 'who can copy this style better'. No one would draw fanart anymore. Fanart is when an artist expresses their love for something in the form of art, in most cases it is their intention to put individuality in it, and that is not a mistake.



Other info:

If you don't know what to say in a critique, here's a small list of things you can take into consideration:

-anatomy
-expression (face expression, body expression)
-composition
-concept (what the drawing is trying to say and how effective it's saying it)
-lighting
-color

Those are the usual things i used to take into consideration when writing critiques and i still think they're a pretty complete set to use.

While i've never written a critique on a deviation, i've offered many in the past privately, as a moderator in a group i was in (which does not offer critiques anymore so sorry to dissapoint, the group is pretty much inactive now). 
So i've offered critiques only to deviants who specifically sent a note and requested one. I also looked at the other moderator's critiques and learned many things about critiques back then. So this info is not just coming out of my ass :lmao::lmao:
There will be artists who will get angry and offended even if you write the critique very nicely, as i've said, art is strongly connected to an artist's self worth. And you might just strike the wrong chord. It happens.
You can avoid that by writing your critique in a positive and constructive way. 

Also, only premium members can request critiques, however any member can offer a critique. If you're not a premium member then just write 'i am open for critiques on this piece' in the artists comments. If you wane critiques, don't wait for them to happen, ask for them. I cannot stress this enough, i have seen so many artists telling me they want more feedback and critiques and not a single drawing in their gallery had a word like 'please tell me what you think' or 'any feedback is welcome' or 'critiques are welcome' 

As i've also encouraged this, most critiquers on dA are kind enough not to critique people who do not request critiques. If you don't say you want them, you're silently saying you don't want them. 


Also, check out my journal on how to get more feedback on dA  How to get feedback on dAWe all joined this site, more or less for this reason, to get feedback on our art. The whole point of submitting art online is for people to see it and hear what they think about it. 
Now there are a lot of deviants out there who get little to no feedback and as a result ask the people who faved their art to comment or go to random people on dA and ask for them to look at their art or comment in the hopes that the person will be kind enough to return the favor. 
A message to the people who do that, you're doing it all wrong.
Sure, if you ask 20 people who faved your drawing what they thought about it, you might get 1 or 2 answers, but in return, you'll be ignored by say 10 people and you'll annoy 8 people. I get these comments and i'm telling you, begging for feedback is not the way to go, if someone didn't comment when they fave, what makes you think forcing their hand is the right way to go? 
A fav is a compliment, take it a it is. Not everyone has
 

Speaking of critiques, here's something funny to lighten to mood  Critique O Matic Plus by MatthewJWills

There's more to be said on the subject but this journal is getting already too long so i'll end it here. :p

A question for the artists
As an artist, what are your pet peeves when receiving critiques? (i might include your do's and don'ts in the journal)

:new: many deviantswho commented here want to critique drawings that don't have critique turned on because artists shouldn't post online if they don't want their work criticized. Here's my answer::new:


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magnetixas Featured By Owner Dec 2, 2016  Student Traditional Artist
wait how did you place more than one pic...ive always wanted to make a comic of some sort
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OmutsuOtakuSkymin Featured By Owner Nov 16, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
There are very few good points you make in the don'ts here. The issue with the excuse "It's just my style" when a flaw is raised, is that people can like and not like styles. It's just their opinion. And also, that excuse makes objective analysis impossible. It's simple, really. Oftentimes, people say "It's just my style" in order to try and make their art immune from criticism and that's no good.

Also, I'm not going to not give criticism just because they don't openly ask for it. I don't care about feelings. Fuck their feelings. I've been critiqued before and I got my feelings hurt, but guess what? Fuck my feelings. My feelings will not take priority over improvement. If an artist really cares about improving, they'll leave their feelings at the door. It's a lot like how sex ed teachers need to learn to put aside their personal beliefs about sex and tell students what they need to know. 
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BunnyAdrienne Featured By Owner Oct 8, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I had to deal with bad criticism, in the form of a video series called the Worst of Deviantart. Seriously, bad criticism takes over the good.
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uraumi Featured By Owner Jun 15, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Ok, but what if someone is saying this:

My proportions and giraffe neck is because of MY style. I draw long necks because anime. Boobs will always be big and I will always ignore how the human body works because it's my art style and you have no right to tell me to "consider looking more at anatomy books"

Although my teacher didn't do that the way I did... "You have to be able to draw to request" isn't the most nice or specific or polite way of putting that is it???
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Yuuza Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2016  Professional Digital Artist
Teachers are paid to teach you their way of doing art. It's a way that has worked for hundreds of years, and it probably won't change anytime soon. If you want good grades, then listen to them :) No one is forcing you to change your style for your personal art. If people will like your style, they will pay you for commissions, if not, then you won't get many clients, it's a matter of taste. Who does your style appeal to? But in school, the taste of the teacher decides your grades, it's just how things are. You can have thousands of people appreciating your art, and still get a shitty grade at school. A critique is in the end, just an oppinion.
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uraumi Featured By Owner Jun 16, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh no, it's not me.

My teacher found one of my artist friends and decided to start teaching them apparently "If your drawing doesn't have my proportions, it'd garbage."
I was just commenting about how my teacher tactfully chose to phrase it.
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CYSYS8993 Featured By Owner Jun 6, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I recall dealing with someone in this site who would unconditionally dismiss any form of praise as an "ass pat." Those kind of insensitive jerks are the reason people end up doubting themselves afterwards.

I take criticism better and more into heart as long as it's constructive and executed properly (like the hamburger/sandwich type), with the primary purpose of encouraging improvement as expected. But those who downright flame one's artwork or the artist directly will end up degrading themselves for being so judgmental.
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animedudevid Featured By Owner Edited May 28, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Im am dealing with this Style part of your don't as we speak. She even went as far to redraw the face of my picture...
Slightly annoyed but am letting it fly.
Check it out if you want a good laugh. This one really got me. "Honestly I have been drawing alot longer than you, I know that for sure and I know what I am talking about. You're missing vital information ---"
Here's the Thumbnail.
Vault Girl- Fallout 4 by animedudevid  
Thank you for writing this all out. Cooled me off.
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Sayuni Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2014
Wonderful article! Very useful!
Loved all the insights, especially the little comic at the end.
Wil look for awesome tutorials to share! And definitely think more about some points here, sometimes we just forget to look at the artist's moment.
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broadstream Featured By Owner Nov 30, 2014  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I just posted two different critiques... then I read your recommendations on "do's and don'ts".  I think I made it by on the skin of my teeth without committing any cardinal sins here, but I did find this most helpful.  Thank you again for posting informative information like this!
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Deviantroid Featured By Owner Nov 13, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I wish my former friend would listen to mine. He threw it at my face then someone else tells him the same damn thing I told him he'll listen. 
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DeadHedgehog Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2014  Student General Artist
What else is there to say :D
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Xaraxen Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
People can do little to encourage you feel happy but can do a lot to ruin you.
By the way..thanks for the fav.
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WhIppIng-b0y Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2014  Hobbyist
This is absolutely awesome! You explained it so well!
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estrella-iris Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I think these are extremely important and valid points, really well thought out and well-written. Thank you for putting it together. I noticed some controversial comments on here too with people disagreeing and I also admire how you handled those. The world is already a harsh enough place, no matter what field you're in. Advice like this might help a critiquer to be heard so that an artist can improve. And that's the whole point of a critique.

Any other type of comment is just personal opinion or drama.
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Yuuza Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
i'm glad you enjoyed reading this :D
i think that if everyone wrote their critiques better, artists wouldn't be so afraid of asking for them :)
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Tenchi8 Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
This is very interesting. And I really enjoyed the comic here. excellent point. I was wondering if interpretation falls under the same category as critique? I happen to have this gift for interpretation in which I can read art like a driver can read a stop sign. XD I enjoy sharing feedbacks of what the art work may mean, and go in depths with the elements that I find in the work. Visual communication is incredible and I love taking notice of what artist are expressing. It's a way of being connected with fellow artist. ^^
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Yuuza Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
the comic wasn't about critique but about those people who believe giving harsh criticism is a valid 'critique' when it's not, it only discourages artists and brings nothing good to the table. :)
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Tenchi8 Featured By Owner Nov 3, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
I totally agree. ^^
DA is a great place to inspire and be inspired. It's a good feeling to be able to instill the kind of motivation everyone needs to succeed as artists. :)
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mitdemadlerimherzen Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
I saw this on tumblr already and I love it! 

Parents/guardians have so much influence on their kids. I'm so glad I can say my parents always encouraged me.
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TheHylianHaunter Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Indifference towards an artist also gets you nothing in return. Just sayin. :3
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Yuuza Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I don't understand what you're saying here, are you implying that every person should force themselves to not be indifferent towards artists? 
Caring for an artist should come naturally, if it doesn't then you move on to something that does move you ^^
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TheHylianHaunter Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Indifference(another word for apathy) means you don't care. It means you neither love the artist's work nor hate it. Showing indifference gives an artist confusion and they can't decide whether the person loves it or hates it.

if Ya thought my comment applied to you, then I apologise. I was speaking in a general sense.
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WhiteBlueWerecat Featured By Owner Oct 30, 2014
Wow. Yes, so true.
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cocoaberi Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2014  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This was very helpful!!!
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AlexMdle Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2014  Student Digital Artist
-Do read the artists comments on the artwork first. They might offer hints on what they want critiques on such as ' i get the feeling there's something wrong with the legs, or something along those lines' If you find such a thing then try to focus your critique on that.

Why not focus on errors the artist might not have noticed, instead of ones they have already spotted?
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Yuuza Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
because many times an artist specifically wants feedback on something and doesn't want to hear anything else. This has actually happened but i won't name any names. There was an artist who was always criticized for their anatomy. It was a style that they liked a lot and had no intention of changint it, at least not for the time being. Now this artist wanted to improve in their colors and composition, and they asked for critique on that. That artist was tired of hearing everyone keep on complaining about the damn anatomy. That artist was a very popular artist so obviously even with that anatomy that everyone seemed to be bothered by, he had his art very liked by the community.
This also happened to me once when i asked what was wrong with the anatomy on something. Back then i didn't request critique very often, and that one time i did only because of the anatomy, i really wanted help on that. And i didn't get one critique on the anatomy, they were all about other stuff like composition, colors etc. I got very angry and disappointed at the critiquing community then and i stopped asking for critiques for a very long time after that. 

Just leave the rest out and focus on what they are asking, is that so hard to do, to respect the artist's wishes?
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AlexMdle Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Artist's wishes don't always overlap with the reality of the situation.

It's a bitter pill to swallow, but what's the logical conclusion of the opposite? Blending the mistakes out? Pretend they're not here? One of the worst things about deviantart is the kind of mindset that this encourages: "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything."

An artist is as much responsible for his handle on the criticism as he is at creating art, after all art is subjective. If he can't take fair criticism, now matter how harsh, he has no business in a field that relies entirely on the opinion of other people.
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Yuuza Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Deviantart is not art college. Deviants don't have the obligation to listen to critiques.
To illustrate my point better, ask yourself this question: what is the point of a critique?
my answer is the point of a critique is to help the artist, to open their eyes to a mistake they did and maybe they will try to change it and improve. If that happens, they the critiquer has done a pretty darn good job. Now imagine, a critiquer criticizing style, or something the artists does not want to hear, what do you think will happen? The artist will get defensive, he won't listen to whatever the critiquer said, and in the end, you have accomplished nothing. Actually the critiquer has created negative feelings in the artist, so they actually did a very bad job. Now this happens regardless if the critiquer  had valid points or not. Some people disagree with sugar coating, with pulling positive things out of your ass to say about a work just so you would have enough positive material to create the critique sandwich. But if NOT doing that guarantees your critique will not get across, then what's the point? What's the point of spending the time and writing a critique if the artist won't listen? You can't force him to listen. What a critiquer can do is do all these things to maximize the chances of getting his point across. 
You say this "If he can't take fair criticism, now matter how harsh, he has no business in a field that relies entirely on the opinion of other people." but you fail to realize that there are very few artists on this site that will become pros. What field? These are teenagers doodling and posting their art online, some want to improve, but honestly, there are websites only for proffessional artists, and i suggest you go and critique there, because those artists are "in the field", the ones on dA are mostly here for fun. There are a few pro artists here of course, me included, but this makes less than 1% of the site. Think about it, there are over 1 million users. Do you honestly think they are all aspiring to be pro? You're kidding yourself if you think that. 
Let's say you don't want to sugar coat and just just want to say it like it is'. The what do you hope to accomplish? If the end result is drama, negative feelings, pointless internet arguing, i have to ask, why do you give critiques? Do you enjoy drama? 
Yes, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything." because if you say something negative, you create drama, and you reduce yourself to a drama queen. 

When critiquing, you have a choice, try to help the artist and actually get your point across, or vent your frustrations about the artwork and create drama. But i'm telling you, drama is not good for the artist as well as for you, while if an artist improves after your critique, imagine how awesome that is that you made a difference in someone else's life! The choice is yours.

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AlexMdle Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014  Student Digital Artist
The problem for me is that you label 'opinion', on a public site mind you, as 'critique'. You are entirely correct, this is not art college and I am under no obligation to be either of constructive or helpful. The feelings of the artist are not my concern, I do not care whether they aspire to draw for Disney or upload blurry images of their classroom doodles out of boredom. I am not their parent. It is beyond the point, as well as the rest of your assumptions.

The only thing I care about, is their improvement. And there is nothing more stunting than babying an artist. It stiffles their growth, it breeds their ego and worst of all, gives them entirely unrealistic expectations when dealing with criticism.

Nobody is bound to universally like your art. There will be people out there who will hate it, now matter how skillful you become. If you do not learn how to deal with criticism while you are still a beginner, how will you deal with it when aren't anymore?

Heard of Phil Fish debacle? The maker of Fez 2, who bailed out, cancelled the game and ran with the money after an intense hissy-fit against his critics on the internet? Is this the kind of creator you'd like to be nurtured with approval and a blind eye to their shortcomings? The sort that takes itself so serious that the response to even valid criticism becomes irrationally hostile?

Harsh criticism doesn't just help people better their art. It helps them better themselves.
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Yuuza Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
I see, you don't give a shit to be helpful or constructive, you don't give a shit about artists feelings, but you care about their improvement? Yea, right :lol: go tell that to someone else
and i never heard of Fish whatever nor do i want to
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AlexMdle Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I will ignore that you just literally told me to go fuck myself. Classy.

I want to point out that I argue this because I want to convince you that you are giving your audience a bad advice. Not because of some personal grudge, or to amuse myself, but because I am trying to offer help. There is certain irony in that, given the subject of the argument.

Harsh criticism is effective criticism. It's for their own good. I am ok if they hate me for this, in words of Drill Sergeant Hartman, the more they hate me, the more they will learn.

For example, I find the comic you highlighed above(The one with dinosaurs) a really poor choice. What does it tell me? The world needs less doctors, scientists and engineers, but more cartoon animators? That every piece of idea is always good? From a purely ethical standpoint, that is bat-shit-insane.

Standards exist and people are supposed to meet them so that they don't fail in life. This is why exams exist, this is why there are qualifications that have to be met in order to function properly in your field. Artists do not get a leeway on this.

They too have to learn to get better. There is no reason to not be polite, helpful but also honest. Those are not mutually exclusive. Above all, when I say that I don't care about the artist, I mean that I don't let that get in the way of proper examination. Pointing out the mistakes of an artist shows them how to improve, teaching them to overcome hostile criticism, rather than ignore it shows them how to succeed despite adversity. It is the cure-all for drama, not it's cause.
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Hellsing4lyfe Featured By Owner May 29, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Woah...O_O so, you are saying it good to encourage artists but not to sugar-coat it, and I acutally do agree with you that not every work is a good idea (Take Twilight for example) and yes I have seen crappy art on here with critiques but many authors either delete or block the person who gave a negative review. If you do not mind, can you please check out my artwork and give me feedback on it? I am new to using computers to draw, but I have posted at least three pictures of my drawings from my camera (I think I have about four or five, and one or two sculptures) and I know my digital art is not the best work on here, but I just want some feedback on what I can do to improve as well as how to use the tools in the DA muro.
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Yuuza Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
If you think harsh criticism is the best way to help artists improve, you are more than welcome to do that. You can also write your own journal stating your opinions about critique, there is no one stopping you. However this is my journal, with my oppinions, and honestly, you did not change my mind not even one bit so let's agree to disagree because this conversation is leading nowhere.
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Neoguest Featured By Owner Oct 29, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
There was a DA user call Scootawho  now call ThePoeticPaladin,  who been giving negative critique on My Little Pont FIM art, I had call him out and he comment swaying I don't understand Constructed Criticism, He not even giving out helpful advice, he bashing on the art work.  Someone people don't understand the point of a critique.
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Yuuza Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
You can always block him you know. I block anyone who i find disrespects me or my works and that is because i am a nice person and i forget usernames and i don't want to ever be nice to these kind of people by accident ^^ So i just block them and then i can never interact with them again :D 
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WulfPhalen Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2014  Student
Thank you for this informative and helpful critique guide! I really love your work so far! 
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Gabi10V3 Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2014  Student General Artist
I agree so much with all of this. I happen to be going to school for art and a big part of what we do is learn to critique and grow from it. (Not everyone grasps the concept, which is why I love this journal and may have to bring this to some of my friends' attention).
But a key point that you touched on is the style vs error, and if I remember where I read it I'll come back and source it, but I read a quote stating that errors in anatomy and intentionally warping the anatomy are two completely different things, however you cannot claim stylism to a lack of understanding. I personally believe that applies to a lot more than anatomy, but it's so true. You can't claim stylization to something you're using to cover up a weakness. A lot of people I know have had issues with that and get defensive just because they don't want to change.
But thank you so much for posting this :)
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Yuuza Featured By Owner Oct 31, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
That is true, many people hide mistakes underneath the disguise of style. What i was trying to say here, is that if someone does something as a choice, then they shouldn't be critiqued about it. Sure, many styles are 'uglyer' than others, for example i've seen an artist always draw the eyes too close together. That didn't look so good to me, but the artist obviously liked it. So what i'm trying to say is, if you critique style, even if the style has huge mistakes that you might consider unnacceptable, that artist will not like it that you picked on their style. As you said, they will get defensive. And at the end of it, they will not change their style, you would have accomplished nothing, except create some drama, the artist will feel like shit, you probably won't feel very nice either, and it's simply not worth it. The goal of a critique is to help the artist, it's to have that artist try to change things. If they get defensive, they will not change and the critiquer would have accomplished nothing. What i am saying in this journal is for a critiquer to maximize their effect on the artist, the moment an artist gets defensive, you lost (and they lost as well). And that's why i am suggesting all these things for the critiquer to formulate and compose their critique in the best way that will have artists pay much more attention to what they say. :)
And i'm glad you enjoy reading it was well~
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Gabi10V3 Featured By Owner Nov 7, 2014  Student General Artist
Amen and amen! I've learned so much that you have to tailor your communication to help in a critique vs tell them what's wrong. Nobody ever listens to someone who tells them "oh, you're doing this wrong" because all it sounds like is "you suck, and i'm being an asshole" and nobody's gonna take advice from that. Lol.
I always try to go with a milder approach... Like "I've noticed you have some issues with certain aspects of anatomy. A good way to practice is to do some figure studies and poses and all that." Shoot, I tell people to come on DA to look at photo references and other people's figure studies to help them learn. That's what I do. Haha
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Yuuza Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
yea, that's a good approach, i do the same :D I don't give them all praise and spare them of the stuff they need to improve on. But i do avoid saying words such as 'this is bad, this is wrong, etc" and i try to go with "this needs some more improvement, this could be worked on a little more, etc" and artists listen to what i say, so i win :la:
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Gabi10V3 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2014  Student General Artist
Lol. Exactly ;)
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Lilia-DeRosso Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Thank you for posting this! It's very helpful. I was unsure on how to write a critique, but now I might try.
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KaliberZ Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2014
I'll keep it for good use!

Even people need to know how to critique properly :3
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Vena-Durhaeva Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2014  Student Traditional Artist
Thanks for posting this--I had friends when I was just starting who didn't understand that saying only negative things to a developing artist is a horrible idea, especially when there's obviously been a lot of time and effort spent on a project. 
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SILENTPHANTOMOMEGA Featured By Owner Oct 28, 2014
Keeping this for later
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rachelthepessimist Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
It'd be cool if you could add to this, or make a second part, explaining what to do in the critique widget itself. Where it gives you the option to rate different aspects on a scale of one to five, I feel like a lot of people give straight fives, even if that's not what their critique said, or their critique mentioned none of the points, simply to avoid hurting feelings or because they just "love love love" the piece. Personally, I think that goes against the purpose of the critique. I know you mentioned how if they've just got a comment to just leave it in the comments, and I love that you said that. But what do you want in the critique widget itself? As someone who is able to have the critique widget, it'd be great if you could say how to go about it.
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Yuuza Featured By Owner Nov 1, 2014  Professional Digital Artist
Yes, this could be the topic of another journal, here i just touched on the do's and dont's mostly. For that i would need a few good examples to show, and i'd have to look for them first, then ask the critiquer if he agrees for me to use his critique as an example etc, the subject is pretty vast and i need to make another journal to show this :D
When i have time, i will make one, thanks for the suggestion~
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rachelthepessimist Featured By Owner Nov 2, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks. It really was just a suggestion. You seem pretty fair on the topic, and I'd love to read what you have to say. 
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Tanukid Featured By Owner Oct 27, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Thank you! Although here is my question: how do you differentiate stylization and anatomical error? Its different in most cases but sometimes I can't tell them apart Sweating a little... 
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